Gay Christian Theology

Till the early 1600’s most of the world population believed the Earth was the center of the Universe and the Sun and all planets revolved around the Earth. Then came Galileo, a scientist, who stated that it was the Sun upon which all revolved around.
This went against the belief (doctrine) of the Roman Catholic Church and Galileo was accused of being a heretic (a person who opposes Church teaching) and sentenced to life imprisonment. Nearly 350 years later, in 1992, Pope John II stated “Theologians failed to grasp the profound non-literal meaning of Scripture when they described the physical structure of the universe. This led them to transpose a question of factual observation into the realm of faith.”
The Roman Catholic Church reversed its belief and accepted Galileo’s.
I believe, as a heretic myself, it is time for the Church to accept the fact that Pope John II 1992 statement applies to homosexuality and the Church should reverse its doctrinal condemnation. Science is not always wrong or satanic.

Ever notice that when a moral issue hits the news, it is always the Religious Right Christians who are asked to comment? Why are the moderate Christians left out?
Answer: because moderate Christians won’t get all self-righteous and condemning.
As a 65 year young lesbian who lived a tormented straight life till the age of 27, when God revealed my true nature to me, I am ecstatic about the Gay Marriage Law! I am a gay Christian, more conservative than one might believe.
Listening to Pat Robertson say “no civilization that tolerated homosexuality has survived” made me question, even more, the mentality of such Christians. If Pat is basing his statement on the Bible then he is wrong. The only civilizations that tolerated same gender sex were pagans who worshipped false gods. Homosexuality was not a word in biblical times; it has only become a word in the last 150 years. These Right Wing Christians condemn homosexuality when the Bible is speaking of pagan religious rites, which included same gender sex, devoid of any LOVE.
Jim Garlow, another Right Wing Christian, quotes Jesus, in Matthew 19, as proof that heterosexuality is the only marriage that God approves of. Jim’s argument is flimsy, for Jesus was answering questions from the crowd about divorce. These biblical people had no concept of same gender, loving and committed relationships. Jesus answered in the only way the crowd could understand. Surely, heterosexuality is the predominant orientation God created or none of us would be here today. This does not negate the creation of homosexual people. If you read further in Matthew 19 you will see that Jesus speaks of BORN Eunuchs. These are homosexual people and there is no condemnation out of Jesus’ mouth.
The Christian Right is WRONG on the homosexual issue!!! But, keep your beliefs for it is your God-given right. Won’t matter, for other states will make gay marriage into law. Accept it and keep Church and State separate.
To my GLBT brothers & sisters, avoid and ignore these Right Wing Christians. Go to a gay welcoming church or join a Metropolitan Community Church. They are hard to find, so if one is not nearby, do what I have done. I am an internet member of Holy Cross MCC in Pensacola, FLA. Visit their website and listen to genuine Christian sermons.
Remember that God loves ALL and wants to spend eternity with ALL. John 3:16 is just one verse of Scripture that will attest to this.

I’m not a basketball fan so I don’t remember the name of the player who spoke on the news last night, saying that gay marriage would be destructive to society. Maybe he should look back into the history of African Americans (like himself), because those who were against the civil rights movement said the same of black people. Bigotry comes in all colors and orientations.

Homophobia within our churches is NOT a moral issue. What the church is doing is hiding behind Scripture so they can oppress people who are not like them. It’s just like the Egyptians of biblical times who held the Israelites in bondage because they were different. It all boils down to bigotry and this is a sin. Even churches that are ‘gay welcoming’ do not consider homosexuals as spiritual equals. God does: John 3:16 to name one of many affirmations. If you don’t have a Metropolitan Community Church near you, visit Holy Cross MCC online. They are in Pensacola, Fla and I am an internet member. There you will find the true love of God thru the preaching of His Son, Jesus the Christ. They know the truth.

As a Christian lesbian I am appalled by the homophobic hypocrisy within the Church. Let’s start with the Roman Catholics. They condemn homosexuality as a sin, yet they ordain gay Priests. HUH?? Oh, the vow of celibacy makes it all right for gays to become Priests. HUH?? Inside they are still gay and have gay thoughts and I bet they are required to repent of their sinful gay thoughts in the confessional, do a few ‘Hail Mary’s’ and that makes it OK. HUH?? Ever heard of being humored? Do you really believe all those gay Priests believe they are sinning? And why does the Roman Catholic Church protect their gay Priests when one does a sexual ‘no-no’ with another gay adult and don’t fool yourself into thinking this doesn’t happen. If you truly believe homosexuality is a sin you should not ordain any gay Priests. Wouldn’t that make more sense? Wouldn’t that show that you sincerely believe homosexuality to be an abomination before God?
To be fair, you find this hypocrisy in the Protestant religions, too. Some denominations ordain openly gay partners as ministers, and they will ordain a single openly gay man or woman with the stipulation that they must remain single (HUH), but they will not marry a gay couple in their congregation. This is as confusing as the Roman Catholic Church’s stand.
If anyone has a firm belief then it should not be compromised in the least. The Right Wing Christians are a good example of this. They are wrong, but at least they stand firm and do not compromise.
The very fact that the Christian Church compromises on this grievous sin of homosexuality shows that they are not SURE they are interpreting Scripture correctly, which they and Right Wing Christians are not!!!

I have never used the biblical story of David and Jonathan as evidence of a homosexual union blessed by God. The account is found in 1 Samuel, chapters 18 thru 20 and in 2nd Samuel 1:25-27. The reason I have not used this story is because it could go either way. The ‘clobber’ passages are clearly misunderstood, in my opinion, based on my life as a Christian who recognized her homosexuality years after she gave herself to Christ and have grown in Christ ever since. I have a dear male friend, some 20 years my junior, a minister in the Baptist Church, who believes homosexuality to be a sin, but who also believes I am saved by virtue of 3 Scriptures: John 3:16 (belief), Romans 10: 9 & 10 (confession that we are sinners) and James 2:17 (faith without works is dead.) See, he does not believe one ‘sin’ is an automatic ticket to Hell, for all have sinned. This man and I feel “of one flesh”, as David and Jonathan: a platonic friendship, but this I can attest to. Not so clear with David and Jonathan. David’s lament over Jonathan’s death is mind boggling.
What frustrates me is the minds of those who cannot or will not concede that David and Jonathan could have been gay partners. Such naïve, tunnel-vision thinking is not the way God created us. We were given minds to use; minds to question. This is what leads to knowledge of the truth and it is sadly lacking among anti-gays, Christian and non.

Reflecting on my previous post, let’s look at Acts 8: 26-49. This eunuch was a minister of Candace, the queen of the Ethiopians. Was he a eunuch by religious choice, by literal castration or was he born homosexual. No one can say for sure because the Bible does not say. Since there are only 3 options, this eunuch had a 33% chance of being either and IF he was homosexual, then he was a Godfearing man and Phillip baptized him into Christ and eternal life. Leaves room for doubt for the Christian Right.

Matthew 19: 12 (Jesus speaking) – “For there are eunuchs who have been so since birth and eunuchs who have been made by men and eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.”
Let’s dissect this passage:
Those who have made themselves eunuchs have not castrated their bodies; they remain celibate; Jesus uses the word ‘eunuch’. Modern day Roman Catholic Priests are an example.
We don’t need to questions those who have been made eunuchs by men who literally castrated them.
But what does Jesus mean when he says there are some “who are BORN eunuchs”? How many baby boys do you know who are born without sexual desire? Close to none.
In biblical days eunuchs were used to serve the king in many ways. Eunuchs MADE by men (castrated) were used in many areas, but some think they watched over the king’s women i.e. harem. However, a castrated man is still a sexual threat to a woman, so it was the BORN eunuchs, who had no desire for sex with a woman, who were put in charge of the king’s harem. Was Jesus speaking of homosexual men? Yes.
This passage comes right after Jesus’ disciples questioned him on the expediency of marrying. It is understandable for those who choose celibacy because of their chosen religious life, but not so for the other two. There are men MADE eunuchs by virtue of paralysis and they enjoy sex even though they don’t experience genital orgasm. Should they not marry? Should those BORN ‘eunuchs’ (homosexuals) not marry? Both should experience the love that is shared in marriage, if they so choose.
If one is going to use this passage to condemn homosexuality, one would have to condemn paralyzed people for being married. Ah, but you say, marriage was God created for just a man with a woman. This begs the question, what is marriage in God’s eyes? Marriage is a loving, committed, monogamous union between two adults – period. Of course Jesus only talked of male/female marriage, because the people of biblical times knew nothing of love between same gender people. All they knew was that godless people, who worshipped graven images, had sex with anyone. The definitive word being SEX. Jesus’ definition of marriage was based on LOVE, not gender and the rules Jesus spoke of for heterosexuals apply to homosexuals too.
Anti-gay people hide behind Scripture, twisting it to condemn homosexuals. They would say the same of me, but each one reading this post must decide for themselves. I disagree with anti-gay people, but you won’t find me condemning them to Hell for their beliefs or behavior.

www.rightfromtheheart.org is a website that preaches anti-gay theology and the author has the same name as me – Jan Liebegott. Please do not confuse me with this blog for I am radically pro-gay, being a Christian Lesbian. I sincerely hope you will not buy in to their erroneous anti-gay theology. FYI

I received the following comment: “I wouldn’t say I totally agree, but it’s not really that big a deal.”
What a naive comment! Gays not only have to contend with those who condemn and hate us, but with all who feel as this commentor. I don’t expect all people to actively participate in the quest for gay rights, for there are all sorts of inequalities one can and should be involved. Any kind of bigotry is a big deal and nobody should be apathetic!! It’s a big deal to choose between living a lie about our sexual orientation or being openly gay. It’s a big deal hiding who we are, fearing the loss of our jobs, friends, family and even our lives. It’s a big deal being told you’re going to Hell because you’re gay. It’s a a big deal even when you’re marginalized by people and an even bigger deal when the Church supports such condenmation and marginalization. It’s a big deal to those in the gay community who suffer from low self-esteem because they buy into the erroneous Christian condemnation of homosexuality. Get off the fence cause you’re useless.