What If I’m Wrong About Homosexuality?

April 12, 2019

From “The Center For Affirming Theology”

There are ultimately two fundamental positions regarding homosexuality: 1) that it is contrary to God’s will and word, and is, therefore, sinful, and 2) that it is in keeping with His purpose and is the moral equivalent of heterosexuality. These two points of view are diametrically opposed to one another. There is no reconciliation. There is no middle ground… Homosexuality is either a sin or it isn’t.

People on both sides have dug in their heels, absolutely convinced that they’re right. So certain are our beliefs that we often refuse to even engage in dialog on the subject. As far as we’re concerned, the only unreasonable belief is that we could possibly be wrong; therefore, the only people worthy of our time are those who already agree with us.

While we may be set in our beliefs, I’d like to hit the pause button of our hearts and invite you for a moment to consider the following. None of us have perfect knowledge, neither individually nor collectively. Out of all the study, prayer, and contemplation we’ve done, we yet “know in part” (1Co. 13:8c-9a).

With this in mind, I believe it’s important that we consider the consequences of our respective positions. What are the repercussions in the here and now, and what will possibly be the repercussions in the hereafter? Saints of God, what if we’re wrong?

If I’m Wrong, and Homosexuality Is A Sin

What Have I Done?

  • I’ve told people to love their neighbors and to treat them with respect and care.
  • I’ve told people to value themselves and to realize that God’s love for them is beyond measure.
  • I’ve told people that being gay is no excuse to sin, and that they should seek to only engage in sex within the framework of marriage (spiritual, even if not legal).
  • I’ve told people that their marital relationships (whether same-sex or opposite-sex) should be lifelong, and a reflection of Christ’s love for us.
  • I’ve told people that the body of Christ is big enough for those who disagree, and that we should not condemn people for having a sincere difference of belief.
  • I’ve told families to accept their gay loved ones, and to celebrate their unique contributions to the family, to the community, and to the human race.

The Consequences In The Here and Now

  • People no longer live in torment, self-hatred, and fear.
  • People respect others, even those they disagree with.
  • Families are kept together.
  • People engage in sexually responsible behavior (from a secular social point of view).
  • Gay people engage in sinful sexual behavior with the same sex.

If I’m Right, and Homosexuality Is Not A Sin

What Has The Other Side Done?

  • It has given people an excuse to condemn, emotionally abuse, bully, and in some cases, physically harm others.
  • It has taught people to hate themselves, and has encouraged them to live in torment for their entire lives.
  • It has prevented gay people from experiencing sexual wholeness through the fulfillment provided in marital sex with a suitable companion.
  • It has encouraged parents to not accept their child(ren)’s orientation, and in some cases, to even cut them off in order to “save” them.
  • It has kicked people out of the church and into the welcoming arms of an unbelieving secular culture.

The Consequences In The Here and Now

  • Families are destroyed.
  • Bullies are praised and encouraged.
  • People young and old have lived in despair, even to the point of committing suicide.
  • Heterosexual spouses have wasted years married to closeted homosexuals who cannot love them the way they deserve.
  • Gay people have been beaten and murdered, not only historically, but even in modern times and by professing Christians.
  • A number of formerly-Christian gay people, out of a feeling of rejection by Christians and by God, have left the Church and, in some cases, the faith.
  • A large number of unbelievers have had their hearts hardened to the gospel because of their disdain for the messengers.

The Consequences of Either Position in the Hereafter

Jesus taught us that all the Law and the Prophets (a phrase representing the Old Testament, but ostensibly, all of Scripture itself) hinges upon the law of love—to love God with our whole selves, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see which of the consequences of being wrong has more love involved, even if the overall position taken is wrong.

I wonder… Would a just God—a righteous judge—not consider the circumstances surrounding a person’s being wrong before pronouncing judgment? Would He condemn a poor father who did not give any offerings because he bought food with his money and fed his starving children? Would He condemn a person for divorcing a physically abusive spouse, even though no such exception to marriage’s lifelong intent is made in Scripture?

Would He condemn people for studying Scripture with an open mind and heart, for praying and laboring over their sexuality, and yet coming to the wrong conclusion concerning what the Bible teaches? Would He condemn them even though they were sincere, not seeking to twist God’s word, but simply got it wrong?

Sweet Jesus, if He didn’t condemn His disciples for breaking the Sabbath by picking corn simply because they were hungry (Matt. 12:1-7), surely that proves that the circumstances always matter to God, not simply whether we were right or wrong. Is it any wonder that the letter of the law kills, while the spirit/intent gives life? (Ro. 7:6; 2Co. 3:6)

If being right were a prerequisite for going to Heaven, who among the entire Christian community would enter in? The very fact that we have innumerable denominations proves that few, if any, will live up to that standard. This being the case, surely a merciful and understanding God considers the sincerity of the journey more important than how close to the finish line we concluded the race. Isn’t that what Paul referred to when saying that although he knew he hadn’t arrived, he was committed to pressing forward, i.e. to giving it all he had? In the end, isn’t the best we can do all that we can do?

But what of the other side? If they’re wrong, how will they be judged? Did they run the race as best as they knew how? Some certainly did. But what about those who failed at our prime directive—love? What about those who ignored Jesus’ instruction to go and learn what it meant that God preferred compassion/mercy above religiosity/sacrifice (Matt. 9:13)? How sincere are people who ignore the command to judge not, or to worry about their own sins instead of the sins of others (Matt. 7:1-5)? Are they “good and faithful servants” in their attempt to impose their religious views on those who have not accepted Jesus as Lord, especially through legislation, e.g. opposing same-sex marriage (1Co. 5:9-13)?

Surely, even if they’re right, the manner in which they’re right matters. So, what are we to think about those who fail to walk in love, compassion, mercy, forgiveness, temperance, and humility? Are they equally sincere? Indeed, did they actually study the matter at all, or did they just read a few passages, and form a conclusion based more on traditional viewpoints than on any sincere attempt to “rightly divide the word of truth?”

I believe with all of my heart that my position is right, not simply because I want to believe it, but because I studied the matter out. What I want is to be wherever God is. I want to follow His word wherever it leads. That’s why I studied it, and that’s why I changed a view I had for 28 years and became affirming.

I am left with only one conclusion. I believe that the consequences of my view include the producing of more people who love the Lord, who are reconciled with Him, and who desire to win more souls to the loving arms of Christ. I believe that the consequences include building strong families, and helping people love one another, not out of religious obligation, but out of a sincere heart.

I believe that if my position is evil, it is, without a doubt, the lesser of two evils. If slavery could be tolerated at any time (as it was in Scripture), and if the subjugation of women could be tolerated at any time (as it was in Scripture), I believe homosexuality can also be tolerated, to produce in this society a greater good for the glory of God—to the winning of souls and to the spiritual and emotional health of countless people.

I believe that even if that’s wrong, it’s so very right!

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Religious Extremes Are Dangerous!

December 27, 2018

“Leatherbound Terrorism” by Chris Kratzer tells the story of a right wing Conservative, Fundamentalist, Evangelical minister who, after decades of preaching this theology of Pharisees, makes a 180 degree shift to the far left Progressive theology of a “feel good” Gospel, under the guise of “God’s Grace” with little to no mention of God’s TRUTH, for Jesus came “full of grace & truth” (John, chapter one). From condemnation and conditions to unconditional love with no conditions, the author gives a “free pass” to all people, whatever their beliefs. Repentance is not needed, for God’s Grace is sufficient. No need for anyone to believe that God IS and that HE IS in Control; that we are ALL sinners in need of a Savior. The author preaches a “gospel” of “there is nothing wrong with you”. This is not a book that I, an Evangelical, conservative Christian, falling in the middle of these two extremes, would give a good review. It’s great for discussion, but that’s about all. Better the author had made a 90 degree shift, for himself and for those whom he ministers. “For by Grace we are saved, through Faith (condition) and that not of your self; it is the gift of God.” (Ephesians 2:8).

“Is God A Gay Basher” Review

December 11, 2018

From Pastor Tom:

Jan Liebegott, a short shout out to one I have never met. Folks, I met with a group yesterday and spoke to them with “Is GOD A GAY BASHER” in hand…If you have not read this book, you really should…In it Jan nails just about everything I’ve stood for for years. Now Jan is just a “youngster”and knows a few things, BUT, was inspired to write this book and in so doing impressed a whole lot of folks, and that was just yesterday…No telling who the JANSTER has transformed lives heretofore. BUT, I will say, she has transformed MINE. THANKS Liebegott….YOU definitely got my attention all four times I’ve read it and 3 times that I’ve taught it.

Unconditional Salvation

October 27, 2018

To all who believe in unconditional/universal salvation:

What Does It Mean to Believe?

Resource with John Piper

Topic: Faith

The following is an edited transcription of the audio.

If I believe that Jesus is the Son of God the same way that I believe that Vladimir Putin is the leader of Russia, have I fulfilled the conditions needed to be saved? Or is there more to belief than that?

We know that it doesn’t fulfill the conditions, because the devil believes it. And we know that the devil believes it because when Jesus came into the world and began to confront the demonic powers of the Devil, they said out loud, “We know who you are. You are the holy one of God. You are the Son of God.” So the Devil is absolutely orthodox in his belief in the incarnation of the Son of God in Jesus Christ. To believe in orthodox Christology is not to be saved. The Devil is very orthodox when it comes to his understanding of Christ.

So what is missing is not believing in the fact that Jesus is the Son of God but delighting in that fact, embracing that fact, and making Christ the treasure and the Lord of your life by surrendering to him.

In other words, “belief” is seeing him for who he really is, seeing him as infinitely valuable as the Son of God. It’s not just acknowledging the fact that he is the Son but also seeing him as infinitely precious and valuable. Satan, on the other hand, does not view God as precious and valuable. He hates Christ and Christ is a threat to his own value.

But when the Holy Spirit begins to work in our lives we’re not deceived like that anymore. We recognize that our value is nothing compared to Jesus’ value. Instead, we just want to know him, be with him, enjoy him, follow him, and celebrate him. That transition—that change of heart, so that we are now looking away from ourselves to Christ and embracing all that God is for us in him—that is what faith is. That is what belief is. That is what saves.
John Piper (@JohnPiper) is founder and teacher of desiringGod.org and chancellor of Bethlehem College & Seminary. For 33 years, he served as pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, Minnesota. He is author of more than 50 books, including Desiring God: Meditations of a Christian Hedonist, and most recently Expository Exultation: Christian Preaching as Worship.

My Journey as a Christian, Gay Affirming Lesbian

September 21, 2018

I was born in Queens, New York on 4/22/46. My Parents met at Church. Dad was the organist and Mom was in the Choir. My brother and I were raised in the ways of the Lord.
In 1955 my family moved from Queens to Shoreham, on the North shore of Eastern Long Island. When I was fourteen I wanted to become a minister, but the Lutheran Church did not ordain women ministers at that time. Though disappointed, I was not going to let an ignorant rule stop me from serving my Lord. I’d find another way.
However, in 1973 I realized I was a lesbian. I was tormented. How could I be a Christian, serve the Lord and be an active lesbian? The Church said homosexuals were doomed to Hell. I knew all the passages the Church used to prove this, but I could not “buy” into their beliefs.
In 1976 I was married to a wonderful woman, in a ceremony in our home, by a Unitarian minister. Our sixteen year marriage ultimately failed, but we remain best of friends to this day. Since then I have lived alone where I worked as a bookkeeper until 2008, when I retired. I work part time during the day and continue to stay active in gay affirmation & celebration of gay love/marriage.
I have dedicated my life to my Lord, focusing on helping gays/lesbians know that they are loved by God and heirs to His Kingdom. My book, “Is God a Gay Basher”, available on Amazon, takes the reader on my journey through life and shows how to find peace with God, just as you are: gay.

Gay Video On My Gay Affirming Facebook Page.

August 31, 2018

https://www.facebook.com/godgayok/#

Check out this page for lively discussions and, hopefully, some answers to your questions.   Gay or Straight, if you are struggling with the issue of homosexuality OR if you would like to comment your beliefs, please join us!!  ALL welcome!

Clobbering Anti-Gay Theology

July 1, 2018

Don’t fall prey to this erroneous theology.  Learn how to find peace with your sexual orientation and with God.  You can be Gay and Saved!

Port Jefferson, NY area.

Right Wing Conservative Christian Confusion.

May 10, 2018

Have you ever noticed that right wing, conservative Christians quote more from the letters of Paul when it comes to the issues of homosexuality and women’s submission to men “as their head” than they do from the Gospel of Jesus? It is as if the “gospel of Paul”, who doubtlessly preaches salvation through Christ, is more important. Let us remember that not every book of the Bible carries equal weight.

Take a sample read of my book and see how Right Wing Christians misuse the “clobber passages” and the Creation Account to justify their prejudice.

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People of Grace: Anti-Gay Cult

February 12, 2018

www.poglutherans.org/scott-barefoot-bio/

Watch out for this pseudo christian cult. I’ve read his book; been Facebook friends with him; debated for hours. He’s another casualty of anti-gay theology because he believed the anti-gay propaganda! Want to avoid this “cancerous theology” order https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed…

June 12, 2015 Jason tesch Scott Barefoot I grew-up in a conservative Christian (Lutheran – WELS) home, and during my teenage years began struggling with same-sex-attractions. That subsequently led to me choosing to embrace-live a homosexual lifestyle for over a decade beginning in my early 20s. By…
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Beware of Christians Who Say The Bible Is “Clear” on Homosexuality Being A Sin!

January 16, 2018

 

“Is God A Gay Basher?”  Memoirs of a Christian, gay affirming lesbian explains why.

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